#205 - Healing through hypnotherapy: a personal journey.

Adeel [0:01]: Welcome to the Misophonia podcast. This is episode 205. My name is Adeel Ahmad and I have Misophonia. This week I'm very happy to bring back Laila, a past guest from August 2023. If you recall in that interview, Laila had pretty severe Misophonia and was even being triggered by a neighbor during our call. Well, a lot has changed for her in the past couple years. She's now on the other side of the world, back here in the US. She tells her story of recently successfully overcoming misophonia. The modality she credits is hypnotherapy, which has come up in some online spaces as having helped people. Well, if you've been curious and learning more, in this conversation you'll hear about Lila's background, how she stumbled upon hypnotherapy, how her process works, and what it's been like since she did it, and her current process of follow-on sessions she does on her own. I hope this sheds some real talk on the topic. of hypnotherapy, which is definitely outside the mainstream and has its supporters, skeptics, and detractors. And for the record, as always, I'm a curious and open-minded skeptic by nature. Lila is all over social media and I'll have links on social and here in the show notes. She's open to talking to anyone about this, so feel free to reach out. After the show, let me know what you think. As always, you can reach out by email at hello at misophoniapodcast.com or hit me up on Instagram or Facebook at Misophonia Podcast. By the way, please do head over and leave a quick rating wherever you listen to the show. It helps drive us up in the algorithms, which is where a lot of our listeners come from. And a few more of my usual announcements. The misophonia.shop is open. the merch shop that I finally relaunched, where you can find shirts, hats, airpod cases, all related to the podcast. And I'm just getting started, so watch that space for a lot more. Already, all profits go to support the podcast in raising awareness, of course, and pays for recording and hosting fees. Also, I'm giving 5% to support research via So Quiet. And the rest goes towards some special projects coming up that are going to support Misophonia research. And I'll have more about that in the coming weeks. Also, of course, thanks for the incredible ongoing support of our Patreon supporters. If you feel like contributing, you can read all about the various levels at patreon.com slash Misophonia podcast. All right. Here's my conversation with Lila. Lila, welcome to the podcast. Great to have you here.

Lila2024 [2:49]: I'm so happy to be back here with you.

Adeel [2:51]: Yeah, it's good to talk to you again. And, you know, we'll get into a lot of the changes that have been going on, but do you want to maybe just tell us kind of roughly where you are now in the world?

Lila2024 [3:03]: Oh, you mean geographically?

Adeel [3:04]: Yeah, geographically.

Lila2024 [3:05]: I am. I'm currently in Northern California. I live in a small town in Northern California. Yeah.

Adeel [3:11]: Very cool. Yeah. So I guess, do you want to maybe, yeah, maybe let's talk about kind of what you're doing now, because then we can maybe work backwards or just kind of keep it organic. But, um, uh, well, I should say first, actually you, I mean, you reached out again on Instagram because you are, um, and you, you did a YouTube post actually about relate to misophonia and how you've, um,

Lila2024 [3:34]: i made some progress there do you want to kind of like share that with us let's start with the good news yep yep i mean that's why i reached out um i'm just such a sharer like when i discover things i'm like oh my god everyone else needs to know this especially with misophonia i just realized have i been pronouncing it wrong all of these years of my suffering you said misophonia

Adeel [3:55]: Yeah. Again, it's so new that I don't know if there's an official one, but I hear most people say misophonia.

Lila2024 [4:00]: Oh, my gosh. How funny.

Adeel [4:02]: Yeah. Other terms as well, but it just happens to be what people, I think, gravitate more towards.

Lila2024 [4:07]: I like that better because misophonia sounds like a hatred of miso soup. And I love miso soup. So misophonia, oh my gosh, I can't even believe. I just can't even believe this has happened to my life. And just so happy to be here on this podcast to share this hopefulness with anyone out there who's listening to this who's struggling. I thought I would live with this condition forever. It started when I was 11. And yeah, just struggled for, you know, over, over 20 years. And recently, this is what the YouTube video is about. I recently through, I mean, you can ask me more questions about this, but I'll just make sure I answer one question. That's fine. yeah, through a series of synchronistic events, um, was able to begin my healing journey with it. I want to say healed it. I want to say those words like it's a hundred percent done. It's not, I actually, Oh, it was last night I was at dinner and there, there I did. I was triggered last night actually, but it's, Oh my God, I can't even like begin to explain it is my, my life. is completely different now i i would say i'm 95 healed and understandably there's still that you know sometimes occasional trigger but um that's really what i wanted to share with people that healing is possible and i thought that was not a possibility for me and my life and it's changing everything in the best ways

Adeel [5:43]: Yeah, no, that's great to hear. And yeah, let me just talk about how you got there. So I understand hypnotherapy was involved. Yes. And I think that's become a hot topic because there have been some reported positive cases using hypnotherapy. Do you want to talk about... Yeah, I mean... tactically like did you reach out to somebody did you start to do it on your on yourself i maybe explained a little bit about explain a little bit about how how hypnotherapy works and how that that helped you and how you bumped into it

Lila2024 [6:15]: Totally. Um, no, it was not a self thing. I had read many years ago that there might be maybe solutions for it. But when I read about the solutions, they just seem so unattainable for me. Like you have to see, you know, a therapist regularly. And it just I was just like, I would rather live with this condition than do what it might maybe take to me. It just seemed impossible. it just seemed impossible. I was like, even if I did that, it's not, this is just like how my brain is wired, you know? So it happened just, it was just one of those fricking miracle moments. I had just got back to LA from overseas and, um, was in an Uber. And because I've struggled with misophonia, misophonia, is that how you say it? That how you're saying it?

Adeel [7:05]: Yeah, misophonia.

Lila2024 [7:06]: Misophonia. I really need to reprogram my brain in this way. Misophonia. So because I've lived with it for so long, as I was getting in the Uber, I had some food that I wanted to eat. But I asked, is it okay if I eat? Because for me, you know, having struggled for so... Like being in a car with someone munching would be... If that's... death. That's like, get me the frick out of here, because you're trapped, you know, and it's like, oftentimes silent. So I asked out of politeness, and he looks back at me, and he goes, funny, you should ask. I actually, you know, so he told me a story. And he had just seen this hypnotherapist two days before to heal his misophonia that he'd been struggling with. I was like, Oh, my God, I knew immediately, as soon as he looked back, and he said, funny, you should ask, I just knew I was like, Oh, he's about to tell me he has misophonia. Um, and so I was the first person who was going to like eat in front of him. He had really isolated himself in his life due to this misophonia, which of course so many of us suffer from that isolation. Um, so yeah, he pulled over, he was like, let's do this. I was like, are you sure? So I took the, you know, my vegan pizza out and, um, started munching. I was very insecure and he looked at me and I could see, I could just see that he was filled with so much love. I was like, I literally said to him, and it's not romantic, by the way, he's a gay man. And I said to him, I can feel that your heart is like full of love right now. Is that true? He said, absolutely. So I got to, I was his first person. So that was the first synchronicity. And then of course, I was like, all right, keep me up to date. This is all, you know, we had a long drive together to the airport. And we stayed in contact. I said, just keep me up to date. This is so new for you. If it works out and it's really, it sticks, I'm going to see your hypnotherapist. So we stayed in touch for a couple of months and yeah, it was working for him. He said, you know, he had his first meal with his family, um, you know, cause during the holidays he would isolate himself. Everyone knew, you know, forever that he would, you know, you get your food and then he would go to off on his own and everyone else would be together isn't that sad so hard yeah and understandable too so yeah he was having his first meals with his family everything was going well so i got the contact for the hypnotherapist and a month later i was on the couch in his at his home office and uh Yeah. I mean, I want to stop there just to, you know, cause that was, I answered your first question. I know there's going to be a lot more, but, um, you already know the results. Yeah. Yeah.

Adeel [9:49]: No, it's fascinating. Cause again, one of the, I mean, I just had that question come up this morning in another conversation as to like, does this, does it stick? Like how, you know, the hypnotherapy is that, is that going to last? And, you know, you did a, you definitely waited, did a little bit of, a little bit of research there. Um, very interesting um yeah great great story about the uber um and so okay so that that's great now yeah maybe take us to so you're you're at you're with your hypnotherapist um how did you how did those sessions go what did it look like and how long did it take okay great questions my hypnotherapist is his the same person i went to the same i was like i want to see the exact person that you saw like it worked for you it'll work for me

Lila2024 [10:36]: And hypnotherapy does not work for everyone. You know, you definitely need to have an open mind and I've done a lot of meditation. So I felt like I'd be, and I, and as an artist as well, like I'm very visual. So I felt like I would probably be a good candidate for it.

Adeel [10:50]: Yeah. So did, did this hypnotherapist ask you quite like, was there an intake kind of process? Like, did you, did you have to filter you through to figure out if there was a high probability?

Lila2024 [11:00]: um yes yes we did a bit of a disc i think it was like a bit of a discovery call i may have even paid for that initial consultation i think i did which is totally fair on his part to charge for that time and i'm glad that we did as well because you're really seeing if you're a match and if the person is a good fit for hypnosis Um, so yeah, so we did that call that was online, like zoom. And then I think it was a couple of weeks or a few weeks. He's in LA. I was in Toronto at the time where I'm from. And so yeah, when I was back in LA, that was the first thing that I did. And I just, the time that I saw him for my first session, that like life is cruel sometimes I was subletting because I had moved away from LA it's a long story but I was back and I was staying in Venice and I didn't know that Venice is the loudest just so loud so At this time, I'm suffering. I'm subletting this place on a busy street. I've never lived on a busy street before because of my misophonia. It's unbearable. Also, as a musician, there's so many reasons.

Adeel [12:08]: That's funny because even Venice, California has those canals and stuff. Yeah. There are louder parts.

Lila2024 [12:16]: Yes, there are louder parts. And everyone I would tell that I was there, like, oh, yeah, this is super loud. I wish I knew that. Yeah. all that to say it's all part of the journey of life things happen this way for a reason but this place i was staying in was triggering as fuck i hope it's okay that i swear yeah yeah of course it was just so especially related to triggers you're allowed to yeah i mean i can't honestly like even talking about it right now my body is kind of like going numb because it's like the memories of that time I call that place the cauldron. That place stirred up my misophonia. It was so close to unbearable. And so that's where I'm staying. I'm in town. I'm going to see this hypnotherapist. staying at this really loud place, I'm really suffering, I'm going through a lot of loneliness, it's all related, I think the loneliness thing, that's a big theme as well. And so I go to the, the night before I go to my first session, I think was my first night, yeah it was, at the sublet, and so I felt like trucks were like driving through my brain. Like it was just, I couldn't sleep, so I didn't sleep that night, I left at three in the morning to go sleep at my friend's house, ugh, it was just awful. So I show up there at like whatever it was 11 in the morning, looking like absolute garbage, like underslept, bawling my eyes out, just like unbearable. So our first session in our then this was our only in person session was this one session is it was probably about an hour and a half. I had them film it because I'm someone who likes to share a lot. And I was like, I want to document this and share this eventually. I actually haven't seen that. That would be really painful to watch, but just see, I was just an absolute poor thing. I was suffering. So yeah. Um, you know, for me, hypnosis. So the session, yeah, it was like an hour and a half. And, um, I can't remember what happened in the session. Like, like I don't even know what's worth sharing in that regard. Like the, you know, you're just basically guided through this experience. And so I'll kind of jump ahead and say that that was my first and only in person. And then I was staying at this crazy place, this loud place for three weeks after that. The initial session exploded my misophonia. It's like all of my nerves were just like on fire. I was on the phone with my mom that night, the night after my first session. And I was like, I don't know if I can live through this. Like, I don't know if I'll survive this. Yeah, it was really hard.

Adeel [15:03]: yeah so so i guess um but then it got better yeah well yeah yeah yeah we'll get to that right right obviously i mean yeah we started with the good news um so you know some of the questions people might have are like how do you get into the hypnosis state are you unconscious like maybe talk a little bit about like yeah um what that what that was like

Lila2024 [15:26]: Yeah, I just want to let you guys know, you guys being the listeners and you, the lovely host, that this is breaking up feelings for me. I haven't really, like... Yeah, sure, sure, sure. It's really important, too, for those of you listening, like, make sure you get an integration coach afterwards, if you can, if you have the capabilities. because of my life dynamics, like I've just been moving around a lot.

Unknown Speaker [15:47]: Yeah.

Lila2024 [15:48]: I wasn't, I haven't really truly processed this. So that's another reason that I thought this interview would be good probably on a personal level is to really take your time.

Adeel [15:57]: Yeah. If you need to take time, please don't think that you need to go through and like talk about everything.

Lila2024 [16:03]: So yeah, it's an emotional process. So I'll answer your questions and just throw in a bunch more to say like, mis misophonia is is a trauma response yeah that's what i've learned and so if it brings up feelings for you you know of course when you're triggered also when you're healing that is totally normal and it's totally okay so i just want to tell you all that's a part of the process and and i'm just you know seek seek connection with others who have gone through this reach out to me please reach out to me open invitation i am here for it to answer your question i when i go into hypnosis um and i and i will and i do continue it now in other ways, in other areas of my life, because it changed my life. I kind of go so deep into it that I don't even know what's happening. So I don't remember that first initial one. And I do have the recording of that, like I said, so it would be cool for me to listen back. But you're basically guided, you know, in a lot of hypnosis, you're You know, you may tune in with your body first, sort of like a mindfulness meditation. Then you go down some stairs like 10, 9, 8, 7, 6, 5, 4, 3, 2, 1. And then you're in this new kind of guided reality experience. um and then from there i couldn't tell you where we went in that first session i have no idea but i was in it and um yeah i think the actual like guidance part probably was only like 45 minutes or something like that and he did try to and i've been to one of his conferences since or one of his like live sort of events and you know some people like they come up and then he's like three two one and then they follow you kind of like fall over like they're asleep I'm not a good candidate for that. He tried to do that in our first session. I think I'm pretty, the way he puts it, he said it very nicely. I think he said I'm very intellectual. I'm very headstrong. So that doesn't work for me, but I'm really good at being guided and following like a guided meditation. So that's really what it feels like. And I think something that the Uber driver shared with me really was helpful. He said to me, and I saw it in his eyes when I was eating, you know, my food in the car. He said, it's basically like, you don't, you don't want to just remove, remove the, the issue because then there's a void. so what really we're replacing it with and for me in this case i'm not sure if this is true across the board i'd like to learn more about this or learn from others who have you know been through their healing is connection so the misophonia like has really isolated me and created so much loneliness in my life and so on the other side of being triggered by people is the opportunity for connection and love and belonging which i now because eating meals Like that is like the universal fucking space for connection culturally, globally. Like this is the way people connect throughout time, throughout history. So I've been that space for me, that deep connection space for me has been very isolated. So I know that through this, that initial session to bring it back to that, I know that part of that was definitely directed towards, knowing or being guided towards the love and the connection that's possible in my life. So I'll pause there. I'll pause there on that first session. Um, and then say that we, we did, he offered me two other sessions that were, um, online on zoom and they were shorter. They were kind of like, you could say touch up sessions. And like I said, I was fucking shocked. in it after that for it was like as if my misophonia the volume was turned up times a million also I was not staying in a conducive space for healing it was a beautiful state this is like a luxury home but on this busy street and for someone like me or for a lot of people with misophonia like that was torture so the volume was turned up on all of that um so we did like a couple of touch-up sessions over the following weeks he was so generous and so present with me through that And slowly, so those were recorded as well. And I would listen to those. I think I probably, I was a bad girl. I was supposed to listen to them every night. And it's insane that I didn't. I don't think that I did even. I think that I was like very scattered with it. I had a lot going on at that time. But yeah, we had those touch-up sessions and I was meant to listen to them every day. And then I'm trying to remember how it must have... Well, it was definitely when I was at that house. So it was within the month. It was probably like a couple of weeks later. I did start to notice the changes. And it started... Oh my gosh, it started in yoga class. I was going to yoga and I would always bring, I bring earplugs with me. I still do. I have earplugs wherever I go because I have sensitive ears. That's forever. I'm a musician. I'm an audiophile. I love sound. I know that we have that in common as well. So earplugs are always a sidekick no matter what. So as are headphones. sound blockers have been an important part of my my managing coping strategy but yoga class i would always bring my earplugs because of the heavy breathing i mean it would just it was yeah i don't i don't even know is it okay to talk about specific triggers oh yeah yeah i've been doing it the whole time no one's complained yet okay great so sorry to y'all i don't want to plant ideas um for anyone because that's i think what can happen but anyway heavy breathing for me would take all of my focus in yoga classes and i'd just be in that contracted like anxious space or i'd always i'd be the girl in the back corner always always always that was where i was in yoga class that's me or actually any kind of group setting like i need to be in the like the place where i can escape if there's like a loud breather yeah oh god it's so nice talking to people who understand So here's where I started to notice it in yoga class. I was like, Oh, I remember the first yoga class I went to where I was like, Holy shit, Lila. you're just doing yoga like you're just doing the thing you're just stretching you're just in this class you're just having your own experience and the breathing was just a freaking background sound like probably how it is for other people i was like it was almost for the first time i was hearing the world how the majority of people hear and experience the world and it was like I just, I was like. You felt safe. Yeah. Yeah. And then I started, you know, when I go to yoga class, challenge myself because it slowly, you know, continued. So I would start, I was the girl in the front of the class. You know, I was like, hey, let me challenge myself. So now I do that too. I'm always in the front now. It's just like night and day. That's only one small example, but that's where it started. That's where I started to notice the changes. few of my best best best friends who know my struggles I mean very few people know my struggle I've been very late there's been a lot of shame around it but you know I would invite them over for meals actually only two people and you know people who could really be present to my healing and we would sit in silence as a kind of trial and at first it was like okay I can do this I can do this it was bearable and And then, and then I'd be like, okay, okay. I need to put my earplugs in or let's turn on some music. Like that's enough, you know, for today. But now I'm thinking of one, my best, best friend, actually, I'm going to send this for this episode to her. So she gets to hear her part in this journey. She knows, but, um, she, oh my God, now we have meals together and it's, my mind is just blown. Like, wow, we can sit and not have music and just in silence. And we're just talking. And my point of focus is, or talking the conversation. and the eating is a background i can't even it's still it's it's just amazing so yeah well i just went deep deep deep and you probably have so many questions about the things i just blasted through but um there you go yeah no no that's amazing the and then um

Adeel [24:37]: After the initial session, it was obviously difficult, right? When did it start to shift a little bit? You had these touch-up sessions. How were they different from the initial one?

Lila2024 [24:52]: Good question. They were different. Your first question was when I started to notice the changes. Like I said, it was definitely within the month because I was in that house. I think it was probably about... a week or two later maybe a week no it was probably a couple weeks later because the touch i remember like really doing my best to be a strong like courageous brave human and like push through on my own and and then finally i texted my hypnotherapist and i was like i'm i'm really suffering so i think that our like the next session was probably about four or five days later and that was much shorter he tried he had different names he's like i want to try this other type of hypnotherapy with you um one where he kind of like again i really kind of it's i don't want to call it disassociate It's definitely not a disassociation, but I go into a hypnotic state. Which you could just say is like, I'm just so in it that I couldn't even tell you what's happening. I have the recording and I'm supposed to listen to them. I should because I was triggered last night, like I said. So I should do a touch-up session. But yeah, they were shorter. They were like 20 minutes guided. And then we do a little check-in after and that was it. And those sessions were really meant for the recording aspect to listen to on my own.

Adeel [26:22]: And so are they pretty general? It's not like they get into, you know, sometimes there's reports of like hypnotherapy sessions that are getting into past specific, you know, traumatic events and whatnot. But are these more just kind of more general meant to kind of like affect your nervous system and kind of calm you down? Because it sounds like you can listen to them over and over again. So I'm assuming that they're probably a little bit more general.

Lila2024 [26:48]: think that they are more general I mean I I will eventually I would like to train to become a hypnotherapist just so I first of all can understand what I've been through and also maybe even help other people eventually but I don't totally know the answer to this but yes it does it does feel Like, there's probably a general script that happens, like, you know, and then there are specifics that are filled in due to the person's issue. So if you're, you know, a lot of people who are addicted to smoking and whatnot, use hypnotherapy as well. And of course, there's there's fill in. So I know that for me, like I said, there's something in there about. Like the, you know, you're safe, you're safe in this space. Any outside sound is just the sound of life and love and the possibility for connection. You're ready now to make more room to do more things in your life and, you know, the safety and the love and the connection. Yeah. But besides that, I'm going to have to obviously like I should probably just listen to them as like a like sitting upright and just like having my morning coffee so I can just like listen and not be in the hypnotic state so I can answer these questions better.

Adeel [28:05]: Yeah, no, no, no, that's cool. I'm curious to kind of hear from that perspective of somebody who's not heard it from the normal state, just to kind of get a sense for what it feels like or what you remember or don't remember from when you're listening back. Because it sounds like you do get into a hypnotic state even on your own, right? When you're listening back to it?

Lila2024 [28:29]: oh yeah yeah yeah definitely yeah i actually listen to hypnosis almost every night now not for my misophonia um i like i said i should definitely i'm saying this to myself like i'm going to do a session today maybe yeah not maybe yes i will um but uh no i do hypnosis like all the time now for everything for anything because i'm like just have seen how powerful it is and yeah i completely i either fall asleep what feels like or what feels like fall asleep yeah and is it uh is it is your hip uh is it recording your hypnotherapist's voice that you're listening to or yeah he's recording he's recording our sessions so those two touch-up sessions that we did he records them and then he just adds music to it after and that's like mine to use forever and you you mentioned this question in passing um if it like sticks. I think the reason, I think the reason that he records it is that I do think that it's probably something that we need to sort of touch in with every now and then I'd be curious to hear from others out there. Maybe there are people out there who are just like done with it forever. For me, it kind of like slips sometimes not slips at like, it just, yeah. Like if I'm having a stressful day or I haven't slept, um you know or there's someone who's a particularly triggering eater who this person last night at this dinner was we were sitting in silence my view my my um was directly on him and i used to be triggered by by by visual by visuals as well yeah basically easier yeah so like people shoving food in their mouth would be really hard for me like really fast like kind of throwing the food back oh yeah and he was one of those eaters and um and he was biting his fork these types of things oh god yeah i know yeah so i was yeah so i was just like oh my god like okay i'm having a like a little a little slip here but but yeah i have full faith now in the power of hypnosis so i'm just gonna do a touch-up session and i'm confident that yeah i'm still because like even even my friend that i i live with now we have our own houses but we we have a we're attached by a door basically and she you we've been best friends for 16 years and she used to trigger the fuck out of me oh my god her slurping and she does this thing with her nails on her phone she's got fake nails And now I can't even believe it. Also, she lives upstairs, kind of part of her house is above mine. And the sound of someone walking around, the old me, impossible. Also, I can hear her kitchen from my kitchen. like very clearly our kitchens are kind of side by side and like i can hear i can hear when she puts down a spoon the old me like eight months ago impossible i could not live in this home and this home has been so healing for me because now when i hear those sounds and i hear her walking around i'm like Oh, I love I love her. I get to live with someone that I love. I'm so glad that my best friend was next door. Oh, I feel so safe. I just I feel so much love and connection and gratitude for those sounds, which is fucking insane, y'all. Talk about night and day. Just wow. Wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow.

Adeel [31:58]: So it sounds like, um, and this is, this also came up in when I was talking to somebody earlier, um, some of the hypnotherapy reports that we've heard about recently target specific triggers, like one at a time, but it sounds like for you, it has been kind of a general lifting, uh, misophonia. Um, okay, cool. Yeah. And then, yeah, go on.

Lila2024 [32:21]: Sorry. I think that might be because like, again, I'm sure it's dependent on the therapist, but, um, for me like what i've recalled from it as i've mentioned is this sort of like sounds on the outside are safe they're the sound of connection and love so it's not He never says the sound of eating. And also, remember when we were doing this, the hypnotherapy, I was staying in this very loud space. So for me, the sound of the traffic felt dangerous to my body. Like, oh my God, every time a car would go by, it was like going through my brain. So it was like every sound is a sign of connection and safety. Just really, yeah. So I would say that more... uh, uh, broad.

Adeel [33:10]: Yeah. So it sounds like it, it is a bit in the, the recording is a little bit tailored to kind of what you, what you're needing. Um, but, but, uh, um, but, you know, love and connection over, you know, versus kind of some of the, maybe really just some of the loneliness you were going through. I wonder, um, do you think that's true? Is that you, do you think your, your, your Uber driver had a very different, well, not very different, but at a, his own recording, I guess.

Lila2024 [33:38]: Um, yes, he had his own, he had his own recording and I'm okay to share this because I'm not going to share his name. Um, but he also struggled with addiction. So his was, yeah, tailored to the combination of those two things, both of which were repaired through the hypnosis, by the way. Gotcha. Like he was hooked on meth and like some pretty heavy duty stuff. And yeah, also supported through hypnosis.

Adeel [34:03]: Yeah. And you did mention that the misokinesia, did that start to evaporate as well around the same time as like misophonia? Like it was... Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, okay. And then I'm curious because, you know, anyone who's been listening to the podcast knows that I think, you know, misophonia, I guess, it's about sounds and, you know, misokinesia is around visuals, but this is about something much deeper than just, you know, one or two of the senses. I'm curious because a lot of us have comorbid um you know conditions did did this did these sessions in particular start to affect anything else in your life maybe that you were that you were going to that you'd want to share yes definitely you just said co-morbid i don't know what that is also i'm gonna can i mute myself because i'm gonna take a sip of water i don't want to trigger anyone Yeah, comorbid is a word that sounds worse than it is. It just means like having other conditions at the same time as another condition. For example, comorbid, like a lot of people, ADHD is a comorbid condition, meaning people with misophonia, many of them have ADHD. What?

Lila2024 [35:10]: I definitely have ADHD. What? I mean, I know. I mean, this is something this is like the new thing that I'm starting to recognize as well. I didn't know that there was a connection there possibly.

Adeel [35:23]: Yeah, well, there's a lot of people who are diagnosed with both. Well, I know you can't officially get diagnosed with schizophrenia, but there's a lot of commonality. I've heard of bipolar as well, not as common. But yeah, there's a lot of common conditions that overlap or are called comorbid. So I was just curious if you noticed it to affect other aspects of your life, I guess.

Lila2024 [35:48]: Yes, I would say probably every aspect of my life. I'm obviously still in integration because, well, maybe I'll forever be in integration. The emotion that's been coming up today, but, you know, just in conversation. Yeah. Every area of my life. I mean. Like I said, eating, sharing meals is the cornerstone of what brings people together. And togetherness, a sense of belonging, is something that most humans, the majority of humans, depend on for a joyful life. it has shifted every aspect of my life because that sense of connection is a part of everything. So from my aspirations with my career, moving from having been full-time in the music industry, and now when I look at the careers I'm building, the foundation for me is based on... It must be in connection. It must be. And I like, if there's no, like, that just has to be, that's like a requirement. Um, it's like I said, changed my living environment than my capability to, um, yeah like cohabitate in the way that i am dating holy shit storms like my ex i for let's see i can't as long as i can remember have not slept next to my partners we've always had our own rooms or our own houses and so now like my most recent partner and i were sleeping together And that was, that was right after the hypnosis. It's actually that now we're getting into personal. It doesn't even matter. The point is he was my ex. And when we were dating before, um, we did not sleep together ever. I mean, we tried, we tried, we tried, tried, tried, tried, tried. We tried so much. We, by we, I mean me. And then when we came back together recently during this, you know, misophonia healing, I was sleep. Not only was I sleeping next to him, I was sleeping deeper than I had been sleeping. I've suffered from very severe insomnia as well in the past. And we were sleeping next to each other and I was waking up so freaking happy because. oh my god i haven't like slept next to someone in so many years and actually slept and then turn over and be like oh my god there's a human here that i love so yeah every aspect like dating for me in the past and probably still this would still happen like let's say we're going out for a meal or something on our first date i would absolutely categorically know like like i would the first thing i would notice is how do they eat like can i be with this person and now i i can just meet people and that's not the first thing that i'm checking out and if they're not like the most polite eater i have more confidence now to be able to to manage that and if we were serious about each other i'd just be like hey can you not like bite your fork because that's kind of bringing up some past trauma there

Adeel [39:05]: yeah yeah yeah um no that's that's interesting yeah that's good because i'm gonna yeah i'll also ask about obviously this these sessions happen anything else that you've been kind of doing in your life whether around the same time or just before like you mentioned meditation Were you seeing like other types of therapists as well? I know you're very health conscious. I'm just kind of curious if there were any other kind of parallel things that you were working on around the same time that may have kind of like, you know, amplified or made things more likely to succeed with hypnotherapy.

Lila2024 [39:40]: Well, I was doing things that would make it really hard for most people to succeed. So I have a lot of faith in the work. I mean, it was really just the craziest life circumstances that I was in at that time. Like I had left everything. I had left L.A., like kind of like one of those midlife, you know, overhauls. And so when I was in this Venice house, that was me coming back from overseas and just everything was just kind of like. what am i doing with my life so um so i think i'm a really good example for for the for the possibility like if i can do it anyone can do it well anyone who's um who can who can like let their mind go i guess in that way but i do have a therapist i see her weekly um that was helpful we didn't do a ton of integration but she was absolutely in my corner we've been together for my therapist for seven years so she's known She's known me through the major struggles throughout these years. So yeah, I have weekly therapy. And then when I would say... yo like after venice i came up here where i am now in northern california this small town i was visiting my best friend here who i live with now and i knew immediately that i was that this was my new home based on the sounds like sounds for me will forever be my my guide like this again like i live my life by sound as a musician as an artist as an audiophile. And so I the sound of Venice, like the trucks running through my rain versus arriving here. And it was peace, it was the sound of the forest, it was the sound of the frogs. And so I would say that ending up here, but this was what three, four weeks into I was already on my healing journey with the misophonia. And by the time I arrived here, it was like being I would highly recommend anyone going through this to, yeah, have the peace and quiet of a natural setting at some point to just let your nerves completely unravel. So that was really helpful to be in a quiet healing environment. Honestly, it wasn't even that healing, like, but she was moving, like her house was full of, it was chaotic. But for me, it was just this feeling of safety, really just like having my friend nearby. being in nature, being in a quiet environment, that was really helpful. And then eventually, when I found a little bit more stability, it was about a couple weeks later, I did seek out a friend's sort of an integration therapist. and i'm so glad i worked with him i only ended up doing i think one session with him i yeah around the misophonia and he was the first person i really got to talk to to really really just focus on that and to really like go through like the pain of like wow this is this is a trauma response like that's a big deal you know and everything that my sweet body has been through to protect myself and to go back and kind of we didn't i mean he is a psychotherapist and psychotherapy has a tendency to go into the past so to just you know revisit some of those points be like okay like it was you know my my dad was aggressive and i understood not physically towards me, but physically with objects in the house. So I could read his mood through his interaction with the objects in the space. And to be able to sort of recap that with the integration therapist was really, really helpful. And I'm happy to share his contact with people who are listening. If you're going through your healing, he was really helpful in that process as well. But yeah, seeking an integration therapist. highly highly highly recommend i wish i had done that sooner i wish i continued that um yeah i would have so many recommendations to people on how to do it better than i did it but it still worked for me even though my life circumstances were chaos

Adeel [43:34]: right so it's interesting couple yeah a bunch of well a bunch of interesting points there how um it's it's it's something that safety at least for you i mean that safety part of the key even it well it was a key part it was even though your friend even though there was chaos your friend was like whatever uh moving and and whatnot yeah you just you had a sense of safety which i think gets to the root of some of this stuff especially um you know if your past had some kind of complex um complex trauma um yeah and yeah you know early on you did mention the integration um therapy so so i guess that was happening uh you know separate from the the hypnotherapy um so was that recommended at all but did your hypnotherapist mention that or is that something you kind of stumbled upon because your friend happened to be an integration um specialist or therapist

Lila2024 [44:26]: Mm hmm. Honestly, he should recommend integration therapist. I'm going to suggest that to him after this interview. Yeah, definitely let him know. Because yeah, like when you're making a big switch like this, like a big, huge shift. So I would say so, so supportive. not necessary but supportive um no it was the same friend the one that i mentioned who has been through my side through all of this who ate with had one of the first meals together um during my healing it was her therapist she recommended it she's a healer she's a psychedelic um she helps people heal um severe trauma um with with psychedelics actually So yeah, she was the one who recommended integration since they use that in that kind of work. So she had that awareness and I'm so grateful that she recommended that. That was very, very helpful.

Adeel [45:15]: Yeah. And were you using also trying psychedelics too around the same time?

Lila2024 [45:20]: Good question. No, I am not someone at this stage in my life. I do not mess with... chemicals chemicals uh for me my medicine has been cannabis and cannabis became a sidekick through the last couple years of this life overhaul um and i think that it helped me through this time i texted my hypnotherapist during it and i was like is it okay that i'm smoking weed like almost not all day every day but like a little bit at the end of the day and he's like look it's not my favorite plant but it will not interfere with the hypnosis and he was right yeah yeah interesting yeah

Adeel [46:02]: Um, and yeah, so the, the, yeah, the, I guess the integration, so I guess what are those sessions like? It's about talking about your past, like psychodynamic kind of, kind of stuff. Um, how does, I guess, how does the past, um, incidents or traumas get, um, brought up or connected to kind of what you're going through now? That's a good question. Is your integration therapist, sorry, let me cut you off. Is your integration therapist, are those sessions like, do you prepare, I don't know, by doing a hypno session before that or is it linked in any way or is it just...

Lila2024 [46:40]: they're they're two different things but they just happen to work together for you yes they're two different things and they just happen to work together for me and he's not someone who works in integration like specifically that's why i sought him out he does do that sometimes mostly he also is a psychedelic guide um gotcha trauma but he yes he does do integration work and that's why i sought him out and that was a separate thing And I'm not sure how it normally works when you're like literally seeking them for integration for, you know, let's say a psychedelic session. But for me, it felt like a mix of psychotherapy with the specific talking points of like, okay, like, let's just be present to the fact of like your dad was scary for you growing up let's just acknowledge that for a moment i'll hold space for that and there was a lot of tenderness around that to just have a moment of being present to the fact that that's real like i didn't know that misophonia was a trauma response i just knew that i was suffering for 20 plus years so to understand that something happened to my to to my body you know went into trauma response like that's pretty heavy duty and so to have someone to really just hold you through that i don't mean physically hold you i mean hold space to talk about and unravel the fact that you've been carrying this fricking heavy duty, um, yeah, trauma response in your body and your brain for all of these years. That's a big deal to slowly unravel that. Um, and to just, you know, hold space for that is pretty amazing.

Adeel [48:27]: Yeah. And did you ever try to address those memories before? It sounds like you just kind of made the connection between Miss Phonia and the trauma response, but I'm just curious if going through the hypnotherapy, if that, made it easier to talk about that stuff.

Lila2024 [48:43]: Yeah. Well, I didn't know before. I had no idea that it was a trauma response until actually I healed it. Then I was like doing the research, I think. I don't think I understood that before. And also, I don't think there's been a ton of, I know that there hasn't been a ton of research.

Adeel [48:59]: No, that's, yes.

Lila2024 [49:03]: You would know better.

Adeel [49:03]: I would say, I wouldn't even say recently there's been a ton. I think that needs to be done.

Lila2024 [49:09]: Right. Right. So, um, yeah, so I did not, I did not know that. And I had seen when I was living in Toronto, I had seen, I might've mentioned this on our last, in our last interview, but, um, I had seen my therapist there. Like I had tried to bring the misophonia to her now at this time, cause this was at least 15 years ago, probably more like 18 years ago. she had oh my god some of you're gonna cringe at this she had my mom come into because nobody had training nobody knew what it was right she had my mom come into the session with me and and eat in the room right so like almost like a what do you call that um exposure therapy exposure therapy which for me this is the interesting but there's so many psychological factors with misophonia as well obviously but it didn't trigger me in that space because it was a controlled environment you know it's not like you're just like at the dining table and and things are just happening naturally i was able to um withstand it in that type of environment So that wasn't helpful and also the therapy. It's just that's obviously not the way to heal it. Exposure therapy is not the way.

Adeel [50:24]: Right, right.

Lila2024 [50:25]: As to my knowledge, maybe some people have had success with that. I don't know.

Adeel [50:29]: Maybe some people did, but it's generally poo-pooed. Okay. Even by the research. Don't recommend it. So, yeah, the other thing I was going to ask, so I don't know, you don't have a relationship with your mom. I'm just kind of curious, since this has been happening, have you talked about that past trauma with your parents? I don't know if your dad's still with us or what's going on there. But it's kind of curious if that had any effect on the relationship with your family.

Lila2024 [51:02]: Yeah. I mean, I have a good relationship with my family, my dad, including my dad. I mean, also he probably was acting from a place of trauma himself, of course, with his behaviors back then. And we do have a good, I would say, good relationship. Um, he does not know about any of this. I will not share this interview with him. He does not know about my healing journey. He does not know. I've seen it. He does not know it's a trauma response. I just, um, and whereas my mom is a psychotherapist, um, dream analyst, and she has been by my side through all of this. interesting okay so it's been so helpful of course to have a psychotherapist as a mother has been so helpful and she's a really good one at that and also we're very very very close and yes this full experience has definitely brought us closer and something that my mom and i something that and my dad and i because i feel more um like ease, I guess, in the relationship with him in my heart and in my mind. And my mom, when I was there in Toronto recently, every time, so for me, my biggest triggers were with my family, with the people who were closest to me. And what I realized on this last visit is I was like, oh my God, I think my mom actually is my main trigger. Like, I think she's the hardest one for me, which is so weird because she is the closest person to me on this planet. And I was like, and I didn't think that she was my trigger. She may have been my original trigger point. It may not have been my dad. I don't know what happened to me. But, you know, maybe something around abandonment and then the sounds were, you know, a sign of lack of safety. I don't know. But her eating. that has been the like when i go home and this is true for people i think outside of misophonia is like when we when we're with our family that is when our greatest um uh like reflections come up and so but because my mom is so understanding and so in it with me I think I was there for a week and a half last time. Throughout our meals, some meals would be unbearable because I'd be like, okay, let's try this meal in silence. I'd be like, okay, I can't do it anymore. I can't do it anymore. Let's put some music on, earplugs. The next meal, there were two meals where we just ate and talked. I haven't had a meal like that with my mom ever. ever that I've just relaxed into a meal. I don't think I could say I was exactly totally relaxed, but I would pause. I would like pause in our like mealtime and say to her, oh my God, we're just like talking. We're just connecting right now. Isn't that amazing? She's like, yep, let's not talk about it. Let's just keep going. Because it's really about the point of focus. You want to keep your, for me anyway, I found that my point, the point of focus becomes like what it is for most people, which is the conversation, the connection, perhaps even the flavor of the food. I really, I don't know.

Adeel [53:55]: It's not just about the sound of people. Oh my God.

Lila2024 [53:59]: Oh my God. We need to talk about this. Okay. I'm so curious to hear from you. I have so many questions for you too, but maybe we should, maybe we should do an interview for you eventually at some point. But but for all of those out there listening to this, like, please reach out to me and let me know what you think about this or if you can relate to this. OK, so something I've realized since my healing. So, first of all, I don't love to cook. It's just not something I love. I love being in the studio. I love doing anything other than that. But I also like mealtimes for me have been so stressful that I now I'm starting for most of my life for almost the entirety of my life up until a few months ago. So I'm like, I wonder if the fact that I hate to cook. And then I don't really care. Like my number one priority with my quote unquote cooking is not in flavor. It's been functional. It's been like, how do I also, I'm like a health freak. So it's like, yeah, it's going to be healthy and it's going to be fast. Also, I've been a very fast eater myself probably because I want to just like get it out of the way. So I'm curious if other people have this kind of like disinterest in, in cooking or, or like, that like like that the taste of food or flavors hasn't necessarily been or like just the whole experience of eating maybe hasn't been a point of um major interest for others with misophonia i'm curious that's really

Adeel [55:21]: Yeah, I don't know. Off the top of my head, I would say I don't cook a lot, but I do like going down to my kitchen and, you know, making food. Yeah, when I'm in a good restaurant, I do definitely enjoy, you know, different tastes and whatnot. Because for me, I think... I usually forget that I have misophonia until it hits. So it's not like I don't have some background disinterest in food related to misophonia. I think still to this day, even though I've got a freaking podcast and the book and all this stuff, it's still something that creeps up on me, misophonia. I'm hoping I'll just go further and further from the background. But yeah, I don't know. Long story short, I don't think, you know, I don't think it's affected that, my appreciation for food. Cool.

Lila2024 [56:15]: That's just me then. That's just probably me being the cute weird person. I'm sure there are others.

Adeel [56:20]: Because I think all these senses are somehow related. Yeah. And so, you know, obviously the misophonia, the misokinesia. I've heard of other, you know, other people whose other senses are affected, like touch, obviously. Yeah. but i have heard of a flattery like like uh smells people being uh i mean some of this could be like people have sensory you know disorders and sensory processing disorders and whatnot so there are different ways these things can be related but uh um yeah i i don't know if it tastes like

Lila2024 [56:54]: gives anybody like a fight or flight sensation yeah yeah yeah it doesn't give me that i just it hasn't been an emphasis for me in my life probably for so many reasons but i i'm guessing that my just contraction around like just eating times in general has created that possibly added added to to my dynamic in the kitchen and around mealtime so but I'm working through that too I'm learning to cook now and you know it's like it's it's um I'm not only learning how to cook but learning how to love to cook there's so much more spaciousness now just around food and mealtimes in general of course I'm like wow this is something I can share with people this is something I can enjoy so i don't know maybe it's related maybe it's not i do have can i ask you another question yeah keep going yeah yeah okay i mean you obviously know that it's possible to heal misophonia since you interview people all the time so have you have you healed it sounds like you're triggered sometimes as well

Adeel [57:52]: Yeah, I wouldn't say that I'm healed to the point of, you know, what you've gone through and what other people have reported. For me, it's more, I've kind of, well, I mean, I've done some therapy with a IFS, you know, somebody who's been with internal family systems. For me, like you, I think recently just kind of start to make connections with my, you know, past childhood. So, you know, the issues with, you know, volatilities and volatility in the home and whatnot. And just kind of just, I didn't even know what the term nervous system was until like a few years ago. I mean, I knew what the term was. I just thought it was like literally physical pain, like putting your hand on a, on fire. I didn't realize that there was this emotional. like mind-body connection. I mean, that's not what you learn about when you're a first-generation immigrant living in a religious household. And so a lot of this stuff... So that's kind of helped. Just being more aware of my nervous system and self-talk and whatnot has helped. You know, the book with Dr. Jean Gregory is pretty CBT-focused. So even some of that stuff has been kind of like a... um new and helpful in the moment like being able to kind of like uh catch my thoughts and kind of think about why what i'm thinking about why i'm thinking about it how i can kind of like uh you know reframe it um and just learning that yeah the difference between the the um the more the limbic lizard brain versus the prefrontal cortex. So I don't know, just being more aware, these things have helped. Sleep, stress, just seeing how that stuff exacerbates my misophonia. But I wouldn't say that I've done anything that has kind of like... like uh overnight um really um you know taking it down to the level that uh that it that it has for you i mean i think it's something that i want to explore yeah but i also want to make sure that it's good that i'm kind of like right for it sure well what makes someone right for it i guess is my question like i i'm sort of

Lila2024 [60:12]: I guess I'm a little flabbergasted that you have this podcast and you've written a book and you talk to people who have healed it. You know it's possible and you haven't pursued that. I just can't recommend it enough. It's life-changing.

Adeel [60:27]: Yeah, I mean, most people I've talked to haven't. I wouldn't say that, yeah, most people I've talked to haven't. I mean, they're still living with misophonia. I think recently there has been some attention around hypnotherapy in general. But... But yeah, there's also some questions on how long things will stick. That's why it's kind of very, I mean, obviously you've been also, you were immediately interested in how long it stuck for your friend. Yeah, I mean, so the thing is, so there are people exploring like, okay, there are reports that people are pretty much cured, but it doesn't, there's always cases where it doesn't, like there's always been exceptions. So I think we're trying to figure out like, which of these directions would, you know, who would work for. And so, yeah, I guess, I mean, I'm also like not in a place where I'm like in a very low stress kind of like work environment. So I've been kind of like waiting. I've been telling some of my therapist friends, I'm kind of like waiting to kind of like be in a place where I can, yes, I can kind of like get the foundation down where I can kind of like not be... you know where i'm sleeping exciting and not working um to the point where i'm kind of like overly stressed that i can take you know pursue one of these approaches because i guess in my mind i feel like um i would need to be it would help to kind of like have a calmer system before going into one of these uh um situations although talking to you i'm like well There was still some chaos, but it just happened to be maybe you were around the right people, your best friend, who could convince your brain that you were in a safe environment and maybe that was enough. yeah i don't know i mean like long story short i'm even though i've been doing the podcast for a while remember i started thinking like a lot of people this is like a brain defect kind of thing probably yeah and so it's been it's been um and it's not gonna be in the podcast full time it's been a bit of a well it's been learning journey but i am to the point where um experiences like the what you're talking about are things that i'm They're on my list to explore. 2025 will be it. Maybe you'll be my therapist.

Lila2024 [63:00]: That would be beautiful. I really am hearing you and since you've given so much of your life to be in service to this particular issue that so many of us suffer. We suffer so deeply. Oh my God, it's just terrible. And so I'm hearing how you think you need to be to get the healing. And I'm a living example of that doesn't matter. My situation, I didn't have my own home. I was a digital nomad for a year and a half. I left my career as a musician, left my job as a climate educator. And I was not with my best friend at first. I was very, very lonely. In that house, the cauldron, I called it. I called it the cauldron because that's where my healing started to happen. But that was the worst living environment I've ever been in because it was loud. And I was alone. I had just been overseas for a year. I didn't know what my career was going to be. I was just completely turned around. And so that's why I said, if I could do this in these types of circumstances... I do believe that anyone who has a, who does have that, I don't know what they, what the terminology would be for this. I'm going to ask my hypnotherapist after this. Um, like the, the, the type of, um, uh, mind that is, um, easily, but even that, cause he knows, and he said this in front of everyone at that live conference, he was like, well, you're again, he said it a very nice way. He's like, cause he tried to do the, like drop your hand and then you're asleep thing. And I was like, everyone else it was working and he was like doing this crazy you know he's one of those he's kind of one of those famous hypnotherapists i didn't care who he was by the way i just knew he had healed this person right um but then i was like oh you're kind of a star he works with like some famous people and he's on youtube and you know it's like doing doing the stage stuff and people are going limp in his hands i'm not one of those people who would respond to that but i am one of those people who did respond to the hypnotherapy and so i'm here as a loving reminder to you first and foremost because i'm hearing you that you can absolutely do this whenever you feel it's right for you and i don't think it's circumstantial I actually think that it's probably better that you do have some disorder because life is full of disorder it's never going to be just calm you know that it comes and it goes life is like that so we need to be able to we also need to be able to work with some material here when it comes up we need to be in the fire yeah we do because otherwise what how are we knowing that it's working how are we able to work through those triggers how are we able to soften around it um so yeah i wasn't with my best friend until a few weeks later and like i said she was in the process of moving and anyone who's moved out there knows that's not a calm environment it was crazy but it was her it was just that i had someone finally to just be with but that's my own story around loneliness and i'm sure a lot of you can relate to that too but you know i'm very inspired by this conversation as well and i know we're we're closing out here so i just want to say like you know it's it's always in the back of my mind like maybe you know life brings these opportunities and maybe part of mine is to really pursue this path to support other people so if there's like an onslaught of people i really open invitation like please share my social media links so that people know who i am i'm so open about this at this point like i made a youtube video about this because i started a tick tock page i'm not pursuing that but i just i literally created a tick tock page simply to say anyone out there who has this thing like you can there are there's hope you know so please reach out to me and if enough people are like i want to heal with you i want to do this then i would go ahead and do the training so i can support and i would also probably do some integration training so i could help people through the integration process but Yeah.

Adeel [67:04]: You were kind of on fire right there. You just hit a lot of fascinating insights. And I'm sure you can probably be hearing myself even. I was like, I'm probably overthinking. And I'm overthinking, which a lot of us are. If that's a condition, that's something that I think a lot of us are. have a as a comorbidity we tend to overthink over analyze and and probably um i'm there might be stuff i'm just kind of subconsciously trying to suppress that's it and we're also like we're so used to like that was me

Lila2024 [67:39]: Like, that's who I was. That's all I knew for so long. And I didn't think life was possible without it. I said to myself, okay, this is going to be the huge, this is going to be like the grand finale right here. I said to myself, I mean, I'm happy to keep talking, but I said to myself, if I can do this, I can do. anything anything and my dreams are pretty big so i was so now i'm like okay i did it like i healed that i have this um sculpture in my studio here um it's a sculpture of these ears it's kind of weird i'll send you a picture after but um it's uh it's a reminder that i did that I did that and now I can do anything because life is full of hurdles and I didn't think I could. I didn't think I had the capability and I did. can already support people i'm just going to put it that way like i feel i'm feeling really excited by this conversation and just even talking to you about it i'm like i want to support you and and taking that leap whenever you're ready like i'm in your corner and i am a coach i mean that is what i do so that's probably the enthusiasm you're hearing but specific to sound sensitivity and being able to support people with hypnosis that's important that you see someone who is you know an expert But if you need that safety and that person in your corner to hold your hand and really, yeah, just take the plunge and find the resources within yourself and outside of yourself. I am here for that because... Life changing. Whoa.

Unknown Speaker [69:16]: Yeah.

Lila2024 [69:17]: I still can't, I'm amazed every day. Like just can't even, my friends walking around upstairs. I'm like, nobody, do you remember our last interview?

Adeel [69:23]: I purposely tried to not listen to it because I wanted to, I wanted to come in fresh, but, but I do remember that it was, uh,

Lila2024 [69:31]: yeah it was also yeah a time of um flux for you oh my god well it's been it's been a couple years anyone who's been through a midlife thing we call it crisis i don't want to call it a crisis it's a midlife you know um reawakening yeah reawakening you know i was in a i was triggered during our call i was triggered by the sound yes there was something you were watching yes yes yeah no my my uh my friends who were living in this villa next door it was in indonesia they were like blasting music and i was like that used to be unbearable for me like hearing people's music next door and it was like i needed to have control over all of the sounds in my if possible and if i couldn't then it was i'd have to have my my sound blockers on so yeah it's just like Now, when I hear my friend playing music, the one that I live with and she's playing music, I'm like, sometimes the trigger, I'll be like, my brain is like, you're supposed to be triggered by this. And I'm like, that's nice. That's my friend. And I like the music she's listening to. It's crazy.

Adeel [70:32]: Amazing. I mean, this is inspiring. And like I said, you know, there's been some talk. hypnotherapy around but you know someone who actually has misophonia and is doing this and has potential healing i mean this this uh i think a lot of people listening um are would be interested and obviously we'll have links uh everyone who's listening links will be in on social and also in the show notes but um yeah i want to reach out or we'll continue the conversation going to and uh Yeah, I should probably pursue this sooner than I think.

Lila2024 [71:04]: Yes, perhaps this was partially in order to support you. I mean, you've given so much to all of us and now perhaps it's time to take care of yourself.

Adeel [71:16]: Well, let's end on that note. We start on a happy note and let's end on a positive note. Thanks again, Lila. And somehow I think this won't be the last time again that you'll be on. I'd love to continue the conversation and see how things go. But yeah, thanks. Thanks again.

Lila2024 [71:34]: Thank you so much for having me. And thank you so much for creating the space for people out there who are suffering. And there's hope. There is hope.

Adeel [71:44]: Thanks again, Lila. Excited that you're doing much better with your misophonia and life in general. This is a lot of food for thought and there's a lot of things here I want to explore and I hope to have you back on. If you liked this episode, don't forget to leave a quick rating or review. Wherever you listen to this podcast, you can hit me up by email at helloatmissiphoniapodcast.com or go to the website, missiphoniapodcast.com. It's even easier just to send a message on Instagram at Missiphonia Podcast. Follow there on Facebook and on Twitter or X, it's Missiphonia Show. Support the show by visiting Patreon at patreon.com. The music as always is by Moby. And until next week, wishing you peace and quiet.

Unknown Speaker [72:56]: Thank you.