[00:00:00] Adeel: Molly, welcome to the podcast. You've heard some episodes. Do you want to just tell us roughly around where you're located?

[00:00:06] Molly: Yeah, I actually live in Las Vegas.

[00:00:08] Adeel: Ah, okay. Interesting. A lot of lot of sounds, especially I guess in the downtown strip, maybe not so much in the suburbs.

And what do you, are you in the hospitality industry there or ...

[00:00:18] Molly: I'm actually the treasurer for a cannabis company. We recently got acquired on October 4th, so I'm only 10 days into the new company. So I'm in a, in limbo right now.

I will be exiting that new company in the next few weeks. So I will be on the job market like most people in the next few weeks.

[00:00:40] Adeel: Gotcha. Okay. Okay. And how are you leaving? Because you went, you walked in there and it was like crazy loud and you're like, I can't , and this were was the other...

[00:00:50] Molly: No, it's they're eliminating my role.

, but I actually got a payout from the last company, so I'm in a decent place financially, but it's just the frustration of looking for a new job.

[00:01:03] Adeel: Yeah, of course. Okay. Yeah and were you working from home? So

[00:01:07] Molly: yeah, I, it's actually funny because. I technically, when I started this job and I had been there about four years I wasn't allowed to work from home.

So that obviously is a huge deal to somebody that has misophonia. And especially in my office because we actually have a dispensary right below my office. So the music and the pounding of the music is Just intolerable at times. I have the noise canceling headphones, the apple I, the AirPods.

Which are fantastic, but they're I mean it's definitely a triggering environment. And the last few months when we knew this transaction was happening and wrapping up, I just did my own thing and I started working from home just to be at peace.

[00:01:55] Adeel: Yeah. Yeah. Low frequencies are tough to cancel out yeah.

And speaking of we'll go back into your history, maybe loop it back here, but. , any thoughts on cannabis products and misophonia? I'm sure yes. Most some people are wondering. That's a

[00:02:11] Molly: Great question. Yeah, I actually, so I am like a edible connoisseur. So I have a million different types of edibles and obviously with.

Flour, edibles, or any cannabis product, it's it's catered to you personally. It's what you prefer, what you like. And for me, I actually have some wild gummies. They're the pear flavor that they help my misophonia. So I stock up on those cuz I feel like they make me less trigger. And cancel out any background.

So those are my go-to edibles. But again, everybody's different. So sometimes they help and sometimes they can backfire, and I'm like, oh my God, I hear everything right now. So it's like trial and error. But, and did you get but definitely a good thing to recommend to somebody to try.

[00:02:59] Adeel: Yeah. And did you, these particular wild heroin ones, did you, was there something about them that made you want to try them for Ms. Phony, or was it really just kinda shot in the dark, just

[00:03:09] Molly: trying to different things? No I just ate one, one day and I feel like my husband was like, oh, did you hear that tonight?

Or whatever, and I was like, no, I didn't hear that at all. And then it made me excited and then I kept trying those. Triggering situations, I guess when I'm going out to dinner or when I'm gonna be around people who I know are gonna trigger me. So I use those as a crutch, but I always have them in my purse in case. Yeah. But those to me, I've found, have helped my misophonia the most.

[00:03:39] Adeel: Yeah. Yeah. Did you tell anybody at work that you had dysphonia or was that, you

[00:03:42] Molly: know what? I have told a handful of people. But it's. I only tell people when it feels like an organic moment.

And I have told, I would say like one or two of my coworkers, but it's like I say, oh, I have misophonia. I can't like eat lunch with you or whatever. And most people just, it goes in one ear and out the other. Like they don't really ask me questions about it. . Some people know I have it, but I really don't know.

I have it. Like they don't really understand it. They don't care. They don't think it's the deal. No, exactly. Exactly. They're just, like I said, in one ear and out the other.

[00:04:16] Adeel: They don't see the images that go in our heads

[00:04:18] Molly: when exactly. I feel like it's really hard to understand it unless you have it.

[00:04:24] Adeel: Yeah, exactly. And and obviously your, it sounds like your husband knows that you have it.

[00:04:28] Molly: Yes. He. Absolutely amazing. My biggest support

[00:04:34] Adeel: Yeah. That I've ever had. Yeah. Did did he know from the beginning? Maybe when did you find out that it had a name and all that stuff? I feel

[00:04:41] Molly: like pretty, we've been together for about, God probably like close to 13, 14 years.

Probably the last 10 years it's become, Problematic where he was like, you need to seek help. This is crazy to feel this way and to be this on edge all the time. So actually he lit a fire in me to get help and I saw an audiologist probably about 10 years ago. And he lived in Arizona, Dr.

Alan Rohe. And like Patrick went with me to all of my appointments and things like that, but I fell off it, it really wasn't a it wasn't helping me because he did a lot of re reframing and things like that, that for me, just didn't work for.

[00:05:32] Adeel: So also reframing it sounds like a C B T almost like a therapist kind of thing.

Yeah.

[00:05:36] Molly: And he did c B T with me as well. But I just wasn't getting much out of it and I was mentally exhausted. So I feel like having misophonia already makes you mentally exhausted. Correct. But like the reframing and things like that, it's an example of that would be if I don't like somebody popping gum I'm gonna reframe it.

I'm gonna pretend that people are walking on sticks and that's the sound and it's not gum. But it's like you have to constantly repeat that in your head. And again, it's just, it was really exhausting. And I tried it for a while and I was like, this isn't a solution for me. Like I'm I'm more exhausted and I don't feel like I'm getting better.

[00:06:20] Adeel: Yeah, that's quite a, to having. Overcome, you irrational mind knows that it's not true. And it seems to be a lot of a lot of effort to try images up there other, otherwise did you move on to any kinds any other kinds of therapy?

Yeah, so

[00:06:34] Molly: the last probably year maybe I've been seeing Sarah Bidler from Authentic Living. I believe you might know.

[00:06:43] Adeel: You know what today I just I just posted her episode a coincidentally. Oh,

[00:06:47] Molly: I have not heard it. I'm very excited to listen to

[00:06:50] Adeel: it. Yeah. Just a few hours ago. So October 14th today for for folks listening, but yeah, it's yeah, she's actually local to me here in in Minnesota.

So we sometimes get together to talk about miss phone

[00:07:00] Molly: favorite topic. I definitely didn't know that, but I have been seeing her for Yeah, about the last year and. I feel like it's comforting to talk to somebody that has it. So that right there just helps me tremendously and I feel like I talk to her as if she's a therapist for me in other areas of my life as well.

She has definitely taught me that having a more relaxed body and a more relaxed mind is gonna help the misophonia at the end of the. And so for me, that's my biggest what I try to keep in mind all the time is to have a calm body and a calm mind as much as I can. And I really feel like that impacts my misophonia.

Yeah.

[00:07:45] Adeel: She know others do a lot of work on yeah, the body, the nervous system. Exactly. In particular, and. Yeah, that's interesting. Just trying to, getting, I guess feels like it's getting closer to their root cause as opposed to somebody maybe more surface therapies yeah.

That are like their yeah, keep, yeah. Obviously like sleep, exercise breathing, but also just being aware of your, yeah. Of your nervous. and keeping it in a relaxed state is a

[00:08:11] Molly: physical. Yeah. And one of the other big things that she has taught me too is being around people I feel safe around. And that has safety impacted me.

Safety a great deal because it's if I'm not around people that know I have it or I don't feel comfortable sharing with, I'm even more on edge. So it, I feel like that is probably the biggest impact is being around people. I feel safe.

[00:08:35] Adeel: Yeah. And that's something I talk about and yeah, I think she talks about and comes up a lot on the, a lot on the podcast is I mean we also had yeah, there's that.

But I think the more I think about it, some often it gets traced back to a childhood where we were walking on eggshells at some point. Do you, is this kind of an experience that maybe you relate to as well, in the past, having to be careful of somebody.

[00:09:00] Molly: For me, I had a extremely traumatic childhood.

But there is nothing cuz Sarah's talked to me about this too. And she really believes that school of thought. But I can't pinpoint like a particular thing that, that kind of triggered me when I was young. But like I said I had a very traumatic childhood, so it. coincided with that, the development of the misophonia.

But I also have O C d, I have all of the other things that typically go along with somebody with misophonia. Like I have, I've had OCD since I was a child, so I remember lining up my clothes, lining up my hair ties, my stuffed animals, like all of that good stuff. And this is around the same time. , I first had my first misophonia memory.

[00:09:51] Adeel: Yeah. So kinda was it typical, like around the junior high, middle school kind

[00:09:55] Molly: of? Yeah. I was younger, I feel , I feel like I was, I just, my, my very first memory was my dad eating, that yellow classic lays bag of chips and it was like, oh yeah. It. That is it's some in my house somewhere drilled in my head.

Yeah. Those are so good. By the way, ,

[00:10:13] Adeel: Halloween's coming up, so it's all over those, the grocery stores, but yeah, exactly. Oh yeah. So that crunching Yes. I just made, I just said the word, but hopefully nobody gets triggered. But yeah. The sound of that, that particular exactly.

[00:10:24] Molly: And it's weird because I also have developed mis soia in my older age.

Yeah. But when I look back and it's almost. Than my misophonia right now. Because I can be driving and see somebody chewing gum across the stoplight from me, and I'm already in that triggering level of Yeah. Of disaster. But when I was young, my sister, I remember she used to fidget with like hangers.

And I remember it used to make me so mad and I would always smack them out of her hand and I'd be like, stop doing that. And I never associated the two at all. And it's like now that I'm older, I'm like, I feel like that was probably part of my misophonia, just the movement.

[00:11:08] Adeel: Yeah. Visuals touch even smells sometimes I feel like misophonia is like a canary in the coalmine for just more general your brain warning you of some phantom danger.

And sound just happens to be a I've said this before, my theory is that like sound is like the hardest thing to avoid because you can close your eyes and complete a block But closing your ear is you can't always, block everything out unless you leave the room.

And exactly. And so I think it, like visuals could be just this kind of like a anticipatory thing. Like your brain is telling you, oh, you might, there might be some danger coming up . Yeah. Anyways how did you react to your family members, like your dad and your sister?

Oh,

[00:11:46] Molly: you smacked things over hand. Just complete rage. Complete rage, yeah. What did they do? , they just thought I was weird. , and I feel like that's a typical reaction from a parent that doesn't really understand. And it's funny cuz even like in my adult years, they just thought I was a weirdo.

And for me it's like, . I didn't take that personally, but I knew that. I, like they, everybody says, oh, I feel crazy. I don't feel crazy at all. It's like this, these feelings are very valid to me. They're very real. So they don't make me feel crazy. It's just I don't know how to not have them . Yeah. And that sucks.

[00:12:24] Adeel: No, you're right. We do. We feel. Yeah. I don't really know how to describe it. You can't really describe it. No,

[00:12:29] Molly: You can't describe it to somebody that doesn't have it because it just doesn't it just doesn't resonate. Did

[00:12:35] Adeel: it start to cause I dunno, rifts in your family as you were growing up?

People would avoid you or you would avoid them?

[00:12:42] Molly: No, but I do feel like it made me I was always in a bad mood. Like I was. I wouldn't say negative, but I just EAs a good description, easily irritated. , I just, I was never really like a joy to be around , because there would, I would always find a trigger somewhere and I still feel that now.

But now I'm just learning how to cope with it. What about

[00:13:11] Adeel: with your friends and

[00:13:11] Molly: at. So the SA school was extremely hard. And I know I've listened to some of your other podcasts where like younger people get like accommodations for test taking and things like that. And I think that is so amazing.

That is so awesome. I am so jealous that I didn't have that . Yeah. I just

[00:13:29] Adeel: remember those are people under 20 . Yeah. Who are you to look at? Yeah.

[00:13:34] Molly: I certainly remember test taking and shoving a finger in my. And just trying to avoid any pencil ticking, anything like that. Like for me, gum is hands down my biggest trigger.

But just being in a quiet room like you, your Misa phonic brain finds things and so I just remember physically plugging my ears when I'm taking tests. Yeah. And things like. When I was in college, I had a professor that he always had his hand in his pocket and he always had change. Oh God. Yeah. He would do that.

And I'm like, oh my Lord, help me.

[00:14:12] Adeel: Yeah. Yeah. Or people in dorms just waving their keys around and oh yeah.

[00:14:19] Molly: It's amazing that I survived that. but I also feel. , your triggers get worse as you get older. So I certainly had triggers when I was young, but I feel like I have way more now.

[00:14:33] Adeel: Yeah. And is it because I just think about this yeah, cuz pretty much everyone says that and I totally agree. I'm just wondering if it's because we're, we're just experience more and we're we hear more types of sounds or

[00:14:45] Molly: Yeah. And we're aware that we

[00:14:47] Adeel: have this. Yeah. That's the other thing.

Yeah. , that's that delicate balance that it's a double-edged sword knowing you have it and you can maybe take some steps, but then there's a question of is this kind of making things worse for me? And I'm sure yeah. People who don't have it are like, oh, you're just talking about it all the time, and that's why you have it.

But anyways, how about you, you said it didn't cost so much rift, but you were always angry. Yeah. Did you start to feel on top of that anger or did you start to feel maybe some of that, the shame and guilt that we hear about a lot

[00:15:17] Molly: that we experienced? I never really experienced

[00:15:20] Adeel: that.

Yeah. It seems like you're like, oh, I don't feel crazy. So you're just kinda living

[00:15:23] Molly: it. Yeah it's weird. It's I don't feel like a lot of people I know feel but I am very isolated, that's for sure. I absolutely love being. Here. So I feel like that makes me a little bit different.

I'm like, I could live alone all day, every day and I would be just fine.

[00:15:40] Adeel: Yeah. I was like, social distancing. That is my mantra. What do you 100%? Fun gonna word for what I want. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Yeah no that's, yeah. That's interesting. Yeah. There is a lot of, some of that shame and guilt honestly come, it depends on the reactions that we got some other people early.

And and was there any bullying or anything in school? Did you tell anybody while you were in school? No, I

[00:16:01] Molly: never told anybody until probably 10 years ago when I actually realized that I had something. I was like, oh, this is a real thing. I was like, oh, I definitely have this

Yeah. Yeah. And I feel like that's around the time and maybe even Patrick showed me something, but I'm. and where he was like you gotta see help. Like this is crazy, not crazy, but just crazy the way you're feeling every day and feeling more so depressed and sad and not wanting to do things, being isolated, really.

I'm very careful of who I spend my time with now.

[00:16:37] Adeel: Yeah. And how does your family at some point, your, I'm sure your family now also knows that it has a name. Did they, yeah. Did that kind of change their, I don't know, thinking

[00:16:46] Molly: or, so my sister is a psychologist. She is a beautiful support system for me. So when I visit her and she has a young daughter, and I love going there because, if her daughter's chewing with her mouth open, she's savi too with your mouth closed.

You're around Molly, so I absolutely love that. But she's a great support for me. And I've just recently opened up to my stepmom and they know I have it, she's been with me my whole life for the most part. But they don't understand it like most people. Her and my dad, and so I actually went and visited them about two months ago in Indiana and I opened up to them and let them know how absolutely horrible it is to have it

Yeah. So that they understood and really just telling them, Hey, if I need a space from you guys, or I need a break when we're eating dinner just let me have that. And that's what I need. I need you guys to be okay with it and not feel guilty about it. And , , I just need to be able to talk to you and say, you know what?

I have to go outside right now. I need a break. Yeah. And so that was that was definitely a huge step for me and feeling more comfortable around them. Was it hard, were they, , my stepmom is fantastic and was extremely receptive. And my dad is an old school way of thinking. He just doesn't understand it.

Yeah. You can, he, it's not that he doesn't care, it's just he doesn't understand it.

[00:18:18] Adeel: Yeah. Yeah. For a lot of people it's why can't you snap out? Or I'm sure, yeah. They're like, I'm sure it's a real thing, but compared to, Fighting in a war. They,

[00:18:25] Molly: yeah. It's, and it's, it sounds so silly, but Right.

It's like you and I both know, it's that doesn't change the way we, our bodies feel. Like our bodies just feel completely out of

[00:18:37] Adeel: control. Exactly. And that's yeah. People like Sarah say it's like it's our body's react, our body's reacting very differently almost separately than what our brain.

To do because it's holding onto some, either some memory or some learned reaction based on who knows what could be something that happened a long time ago could be things that we don't realize that developed. And the juries, I don't know if it's genetic. Yeah. It's very much our body reacting, not so much what we want.

Yeah. Do your. Does your dad I always wonder some of these other quote unquote more popular conditions like O c D, do you find that people are more receptive of those, but misophonia is what's that? Oh, a hundred

[00:19:18] Molly: percent. Yeah, a hundred percent. Because I feel like too, I feel like most people have OCD to a certain extent, right?

, it's just what level you're at, and. actually noticed that just with living with my husband is I have O c D, like extremely bad in pretty much every aspect of my life. But I've noticed him and I'm like, oh, you have it too. My friend , so , so acknowledge that. So I, I do think that.

I think most people are more familiar with that terminology, so it makes them more comfortable around that. Yeah. But misophonia, but I do feel like, obviously like this podcast and everything else, like people are talking about it more , so I think it's becoming more socially acceptable to have it

[00:20:04] Adeel: right.

To, yeah. To it's, there's more awareness around it. It's most more socialized thing. Yeah to talk about it, to hear about it. It's interesting. I feel like it's still in a lot of the articles I read, it's still dealt with in a very kind of superficial way. There isn't these, diving deep into kind of all the emotions and feelings and thoughts around it.

That kind of pervade our existence. , right? It's very much oh. It's just an extreme annoyance of sound. It's not quite an extreme annoyance of sound. There's like all these other. Feelings and mis akinesia and stuff that kind of come with it. Oh are your, your coping mechanisms?

Sounds like you have obviously the noise canceling, AirPods and obviously being very careful about who you spend time with. Any kind of other things that you do. Yeah.

[00:20:49] Molly: For me, again, mostly it's just if I need a break, I need to take it. , like I have really tried, this is the hardest part about having it, is being able to tell somebody, Hey, would you mind spitting out your gum?

That is the mo the hardest thing to do. It's I really try to make an effort to to talk about it more. , just so it's not. , I don't, because I always feel guilty if I have to tell somebody to stop doing something. It's like my, the easier choice for me is just to exit the situation and maybe take some breaths and then try to come back.

But I really, I'm at a place where I really wanna tell people and tell them in not a nasty way, but can you please stop doing that? , not really the question you asked, but that's what, that's where I want to be.

[00:21:39] Adeel: No, that's a, that's that's a great coping mechanism is if you can have the agency to do that, and it's, if you're around other people, for me at least to within reason, if I'm around somebody else who at least a feel is trying, or at least knows about it, then that.

Tells my brain that you're not in a threatening situation.

[00:21:57] Molly: Yeah. It's a lot easier to, that's why it's easier to be people around, people I feel safe with. Cuz then I feel like they empathize and they'll be like, oh my gosh, I'm so sorry. Yeah. I'll stop doing that. Whereas if it's a stranger, it's like you never know what reaction you'll get.

So I've encountered that actually a lot at the gym because this is the time of year when we get sniffling and that kind of thing, and. I still very much rage. I I was at the gym the other day and somebody was sniffling and I was like, shut the fuck up, . So it, that comes out of me for sure.

But

[00:22:29] Adeel: so was that was just for the record, that was like, not in your head. That was like actual Oh, that was out

[00:22:34] Molly: loud. 100. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And it's I'm sure people look at me like I'm crazy. I re, I try to limit. Instances, which I, when I was younger, I used to lash out like that all the time and I didn't care who heard me, or I think most people would just look at me like I was crazy.

But I really want to get to a place where I can tell a stranger, Hey, would you mind blowing your nose? Or just, but it's like I have so much rage that I feel like I can't say it peacefully . But that's my goal is to get to that.

[00:23:04] Adeel: Yeah. Yeah. Is there or have you, are you taking steps to get there?

Whether it's maybe I don't know, taking time out in the day to remind yourself to calm down. I think Sarah checks in with her body like around once a day or something, and maybe just taking account of your nervous system and trying to.

[00:23:22] Molly: I don't really I have a alarm on my phone to do myON work every single day. And whether that be to listen to a podcast or to do a breathing exercise, or just to do something that I feel like is helping me. Yeah. And there's some days that I skip that. But I just, for me, it's a constant reminder that I have work to do and I, I will always have work to do.

It's never gonna go away. But for me, it's like I take these little wins. So if I can be around a group of people and I can share with one person, I'm on a high for that for months. It's like I give myself a lot of credit for that. You should. Yeah. It's very hard. Yeah. So that's really how I, I weigh my progress.

So I. About two or three weeks ago, I had shared with a couple of people that didn't know I had it. And so I'm still living on that high right now. Just being able to share with more people. But it, it has to, it really for me has to be an organic moment. It really has to be where there's not a lot of other people around, or e especially if I'm gonna talk to a stranger, it's.

I don't want other people hearing the conversation. If it's just me and one other person, I would be way more inclined to say Hey, can you please stop doing that? What I recently just got is these, and Sarah told me about them, but they're these misophonia cards that you can, could give to a stranger and it gives like a brief overview of what misophonia is and you

[00:24:52] Adeel: can write Yeah. Those, the trigger those, yeah, those the, so the cards seem so. Yes. Yeah.

[00:24:59] Molly: And so I just got some in the mail. I haven't used them yet. Yeah. But it's like you could get any reaction out of that, you could get somebody to be like, what the hell is this? Or you could get somebody that, wants to know more, and that's the risk you take. I haven't used them yet, but I do have them in my purse, so yeah,

[00:25:15] Adeel: I want to use them. Yeah, the grit to use as many places as possible. I think like you, going back to what you said earlier, I think yeah the safer the situation, the better.

Maybe giving them to a therapist that might not know or a teacher if you were in school, things like that. The person at the gym after you yell at them may be a little bit more difficult, but yeah. That's awesome. You never know . But yeah, we've all been there. Oh, very cool.

Okay. And inter and have you ever have you met other people who have misophonia? I forget if you. Talked about it much with others?

[00:25:44] Molly: No I really haven't. My sister, she'll say she has some triggers too, but obviously nothing compared to what I have. And so sometimes like you'll tell people like, oh yeah, I can't stand it when people chew with their mouth open too.

But it's it's a very mild it. I don't feel like they really have misophonia, but it's just oh, I can relate a little bit to this.

[00:26:03] Adeel: Yeah, exactly. I'm saying God bless them, but they, I think they're trying to relate, but it's like when somebody tells me that they have mild, oh yeah.

I think I mild misophonia. I was like, yeah. , you don't have a horror movie playing in your head every time you hear somebody cough ,

[00:26:19] Molly: so Oh, yeah. It's

[00:26:21] Adeel: real . Yeah. Okay. Okay. In interesting. Yeah, so yeah, you don't your parents yeah. Your parents don't know about your sisters a psychologist.

Do you have any anyone else in, in your family maybe that, that has it? I always ask cuz a lot of people come on and they say that they know somebody. In their family, thinking back like to grandparents or something that, that may have had it. Yeah,

[00:26:42] Molly: Also like growing up, my brother too, like he would, like my dad's side of the family are historic.

Terrible eaters, , it's even if you don't have misophonia, they would probably trigger you just cuz they're just sloppy eaters. Gotcha. my brother would be like, chew with your mouth closed, but again, I feel like it's just a, not really misophonia, just stay annoyance.

[00:27:09] Adeel: did you before this current job, I'm jumping around now, before your current job, did you have other jobs like that? Have some misophonia experiences from, I'm just curious.

[00:27:19] Molly: Yeah. That's so funny you say that. So the job I had before my current job I actually worked remotely two days a week.

And I remember my boss was again, another horrific eater, which is, it's really surprising to see an adult too with their mouth open. He, yeah. Yeah. It's, to me it's shocking, but I guess I'm obviously more sensitive to it. But I remember my boss, when I, when she inherited me, I was, that was like one of the first things I noticed is wow, she's a really bad eater.

I'm not gonna be able to eat around her. And I told her that I had it. And again, not really asking a lot of questions, but I was just like, yeah, you know what? I can't really be around people who like chew with her mouth open. And it again, it was another one of those in one ear and out the other.

Cuz I remember being in her office and her pulling out candy or whatever and I'm just like, I can't even focus on what you're talking about right now. I'm that, yeah. I can't, my focus is all gone. to me it's it's not worth me continuing a conversation about it because I know right off the bat whether you are gonna be empathetic to it or not.

. But I have definitely experienced, and actually funny enough, my boss before that who I'm really good friends with now, I actually talk to her a lot about it and she's another good support I have. Cuz she. Historically a gum chew and and now she knows to not chew gum around me.

And the last time I was with her, we were golfing and I went over to her house and she's one of those people at Chew Gum 24 7. Yeah. And we got in my car and I said, I just wanna ask you to spit your gum out. And she's oh my gosh, I'm so sorry, I forgot. And so those are the type of people that I need in my life, in my circle.

[00:29:06] Adeel: That's all it takes. Yeah. Yeah. Then you have to, we're not asking 'em to move a mountain or anything. Yeah. Just

[00:29:11] Molly:

But it's it takes that special type of person to really, to want to not make you feel like. ,

[00:29:21] Adeel: I, it's sad that is the case, . Yeah no, it's true though.

[00:29:25] Molly: It's so true. And I'm lucky, like now that I'm talking more, I'm like, I do have like people that are willing to not do things around me.

Yeah. And that makes me

[00:29:35] Adeel: happy. Yeah. Do you ever send Ment tax or something when you are being triggered? Is it that kind of support system where you're call. like a, almost like a helpline. Or is it more, when you hang out together, that's when they are accommodating

[00:29:48] Molly: Yeah.

When we hang out, for sure. Yeah. But yeah, like I said, there is a handful of people that I would be comfortable saying, Hey, stop it right now. I can't , it's hard. And my husband is absolutely amazing. Fantastic. I can't say enough good things about him. But even he gets you.

What's the word I'm looking for? He doesn't get annoyed. He gets

[00:30:07] Adeel: a little frustrated. Impatient, maybe.

[00:30:09] Molly: Yeah. He gets frustrated, but he gets frustrated more so that. It's like he feels guilty about doing something and I'm like, it's, he takes it personally. That's what I meant wanna say is and I try to repeat, repeat.

It is not personal at all. It is the emotion or the sound has nothing to do with you. And there will be occasional times that I have to reiterate that to him because he takes that personally.

[00:30:36] Adeel: Yeah, that's a common thing. That's a common thing. Interesting. Okay. Okay, cool. Yeah, we're getting to about 45 minutes actually.

How did you are you in touch with the community? I'm just curious how, how you found out about the podcast or if you're in touch with Facebook groups and whatnot or

[00:30:53] Molly: so I'm not. , but actually Patrick told me about the podcast. Oh, he's the one that told me about it. And I feel like he follows a lot of stuff cuz he just naturally wanted to help me when he realized how this affects me every single day of my life.

There's not a day that I don't, I'm not affected by it. So he actually found the podcast and I don't do anything in the community. Obviously I'm, I see Sarah. , but I would like to, but I still feel like it's still very new. And since Covid happened, I, I know that there was, they were doing like the the annual, like I feel like it just happened.

Yeah.

[00:31:35] Adeel: It's actually today, . Oh, the convention. Yeah. It's actually has, yeah. I was watching Sarah's presentation before this call. But but yeah, there's a court Yeah, the convention. And hon honestly, if yeah, the convention, honestly, if you seeing Sarah, then there's, there's a ta ton new that you won't hear about from her.

But but yeah, that's been virtual last few years. But yeah, it's a pretty tight growing and tight community. And it sounds like you have a great support system, but if, if you ever wanted to talk to others there's plenty of people who are who . Happy to listen.

And it's, a lot of us do. We just, when I go to the convention, it's like I don't have to introduce like, all this, my history. It's feel like we've gone through a lot of similar experiences. It's this surreal moment of, oh, I feel like I already know you, without having to say too much

[00:32:20] Molly: Yeah, definitely. I feel like that just talking to anybody that has it , it's oh, somebody that understands me. And is like me. Yeah. So that's my extent of that, but I also feel like just talking about it more it makes it, out there more and more people know about it, and more people get involved and yeah.

It's a good direction.

[00:32:44] Adeel: Yeah. Yep. Yeah, on that note any, I don't, any final words you have to, you want to tell people who are listening or.

[00:32:51] Molly: No, I just, I really feel inspired by the people that are able to eloquently speak about it and and tell their coworkers and tell their family members.

I just think that's so great. Cuz it's so hard. ,

[00:33:06] Adeel: right? Yeah. No and it takes I think, yeah, people listening to this show and hopefully, other shows will and getting those cards like you got, I think hopefully will be helpful. I think that's it's a big need, like how do, what's the language that we should use that's gonna not, get a bad response or make people feel hurt?

So it's important. Yeah. Yeah. And this is it. Thank you. Thank you for coming on the show and this is wonderful talking to you, and I know this is gonna help a lot of people. Thank

[00:33:35] Molly: you so much. I was really looking forward to it, and I'm so happy I did it. Thank you,